Weapon Tier List

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  • Player48105Player48105
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    edited June 15, 2016
    3 loadouts are not enough for me :/
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  • ForestWolfForestWolf
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    edited June 15, 2016
    So far I haven't seen any confirmation for the "hidden" stats and I'll gladly wait for a recorded confirmation. All I've been seeing is that EVO is the most used SMG by top players, with MPX being second. AK47 being most used Assault Rifle, with KH-417 being second. The most used sniper is CM2010 and their back stats this experience up.

    Of course which weapon you use in the end is your personal choice, but in case you are an advanced player, that actually can adjust itself to the current state of the game, you would be using most rewarding weapon and become good with it. Especially when a lot of C and D Tier weapons have all stats lower compared to their top tier alternatives, like ACR1 Assault rifle or KRIS-SV SMG.
  • Bench_WarriorBench_Warrior
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    edited June 15, 2016
    I disagree with the uss12 being in the d group, you forgot to take into account the fire rate and atm most shotguns don't always reg. its the best bang for your buck right now as far as shotty's go. The M4 is my second favorite AR atm because of the strafe you don't believe in. You don't have a single LMG in the top tier either, and those are the easiest weapons for new players to pick up and kill people with. they're pretty accurate have tons of bullets and only take 3 body shots to kill you.
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  • LAMBDA471LAMBDA471
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    edited June 15, 2016
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    I disagree with the uss12 being in the d group, you forgot to take into account the fire rate and atm most shotguns don't always reg. its the best bang for your buck right now as far as shotty's go. The M4 is my second favorite AR atm because of the strafe you don't believe in. You don't have a single LMG in the top tier either, and those are the easiest weapons for new players to pick up and kill people with. they're pretty accurate have tons of bullets and only take 3 body shots to kill you.
    I don't use shotguns or LMGs, but I've thought about them and the ones with a standard AR/SMG clip like the G36 LMG and the USS12 shotgun seem easier to reload, so that's a big plus on their side. The stats may not be top-notch, but this little detail makes a lot of difference.
  • AnduAndu
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    edited June 16, 2016
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    C Tier Its actually hard to find weapons fitting this category, since they perform well only in rare cases, but at least they are not complete trash.

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    870-ICS - Shotgun - Unlockable (really cheap to buy after unlocking) weapon
    This is the highest shotgun in the list simply because shotguns are so limited in their use. You will perform well only in close combat quarters, aswell you need to exactly hit the target to one-shot them at perfect range. If you miss one single shot you are mostly dead against good players having an SMG or decent AR or with customised MG.
    If youre waiting for jumper sprayer yes - Youre dead, if enemy go normally through the door you can shot a many times as you need untill you die or he will die.
    Its not true that if you miss you will die for example 9/10 times. I have had maaaaany many situations 1v1 when I missed first shot and 2nd , 3rd or 4th did the thing.
    Firstly, dont wait for enemy to move in your spot, you better check the corner and take out incoming enemies.
    Secondly, ICS is very good in mid distance up to 15 meters. You can take out in single hit if you aim good. even if enemy is against the cover - practised many times on PSS9, Port and Dubing Site.

  • ReijiphantomReijiphantom
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    edited June 17, 2016
    I love that the USS 12 is so low on the list. I agree it's not per sé the weapon to get you most kills, but combined with the .44 Magnum it is devestating on maps like port. It also happens to be my favourite weapon to play with. As long as you know it's limits in range and learn to aim a bit with the Magnum for inavoidable confrontations in mid-range, it's really a very good gun. I agree it's not Tier S, but it's also definitely not in Tier D. It's a situational weapon, but as such it's really amazing.

    By all means though, let me have all the fun :P
  • ForestWolfForestWolf
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    edited June 17, 2016
    Well guys, I notice that a lot disagree with single weapons on the list. Why is his or her favourite weapon on C/D Tier? Why are shotguns placed so lot in generel? Why are other SMGs and ARs not higher?

    The point of a tier list is to define which weapons perform better overall. I agree, that a good player will have high score using no matter which weapon. Give a shotgun to a player with good reactions and knowing the maps well, like best spots to camp/hide, which paths are best suited for short range, when to be aggressive and when to stay on defence awaiting the enemy around the corner to one-shot, etc. and this player will most likely reach top kills and score during this match. But the question is - would he perform even better with another weapon, like EVO?

    Also, I don't tier the weapons based on if they are noob-friendly, like some people stated shotguns and MG are easier to use than for example AK, where you have to learn the recoil and best amount or burstfire.

    If you take a look and the competetive scene in other shooters, most popular in ESL is CS:GO. Shotguns do have their use there and can one-shot from close distance aswell, but still global elite players barely use them, mostly restricting themselves for small maps with a lot of close quarter combat and only when they have no money for alternative weapons. Now FA is of course quite different from CS:GO regarding weapons handling, hitboxes, movement and overall gameplay, but especially because you are not restricted to use a certain weapon and have access to your loadouts from the start, why not pick the weapon that performs better overall in most situations?

    Using KH-477 and Deathstalker EVO myself, I do switch between them quite a lot on some maps. Especially on TC where you have maps with one point being on considerable range, other being close combat, depending on my role in the team, I switch between all 3 loadsouts - the third including KM2010 sniper.

    If you dont take the personal preferance and "possible usage in limited situations" of a weapon as high rated factors, but try to value the weapons more impartial / objectively overall, considering their stats and performance, I think you will agree on most points in my list. On top of that don't forget, I based it also on most used weapons by top players on EU.
  • scikscik
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    edited June 17, 2016
    I think the M4 should be moved up a bit more because of it's incredible accuracy that isn't reflected in its raw stats. The K22 appears to have a higher accuracy but the grouping of the K22 seems to spread more horizontally whilst the M4 has a tighter grouping (for the first few shots).

    Also I've found out that the foregrips don't impact the recoil much for the first ~10 bullets very much, it's only when you get to the point of 'no-recoil-bad-accuracy' is where you see the effects. If someone could confirm or correct me on this please do.

    All in all I agree with the top-tier weapons (not sure about the lower tier since I haven't used all the weapons). I have mixed opinions with the S25 since the recoil is the most off-putting part about it, but if the recoil can be handled it can be right up there with the Evo. The Evo is so much easier to control (and also much lighter) hence the reason why it is favoured over the S25. It's also interesting that the S25 is the only AR that doesn't allow a bipod or a drum mag because considering how inefficient I am with the weapon I could really use some extra ammo.
  • ForestWolfForestWolf
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    edited June 17, 2016
    Due to multiple players stating M4 should be higher Tier, I moved it to B. I've seen recently decent usage of it, especially on long range. Still I'm missing the recorded proof of it's superior accuracy or lower spread compared to S and A tier rifles. I hope someday we will have videos of all weapons full spread and fire bursts, like there are for all CS:GO weapons.
  • HakureiHakurei
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    edited June 17, 2016
    ForestWolf

    Due to multiple players stating M4 should be higher Tier, I moved it to B. I've seen recently decent usage of it, especially on long range. Still I'm missing the recorded proof of it's superior accuracy or lower spread compared to S and A tier rifles. I hope someday we will have videos of all weapons full spread and fire bursts, like there are for all CS:GO weapons.
    it certainly wasnt the most farfetched idea to try making a tier list with the available info. But since closed beta we have been guessing about what the stats actually mean and we concluded that they arent even complete (like-> moving accuracy is actually a stat not shown).
    A scale of 1-100 for all the stats is not clear enough, precise movementspeed value is unclear per weapon type and how fast is the base movementspeed to begin with.. etc. etc.
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